
Ifar: You said you were writing about population pressure and sustainability issues, so why are you asking me how to put a fuzzy border around a picture of a yak?
Trin: I started a post about attitudes toward mitigating population pressure then realized there are a similar set of attitudes about global warming. Then I thought it would be smart to check out what other bloggers have said recently on that topic which led me to a post by Joe Carter at The Evangelical Outpost, so I decided to just write about his post.
Ifar: Evangelical Outpost? That’s not your normal cup of tea.
Trin: True. Joe’s a Christian evangelical and social conservative. But his blog is the most popular one on the web for people like him, and they’ve got a lot of power these days with all the politicians courting their votes.
Ifar: Okay. So what’s with the yak?
Trin: I wanted to add a picture to the post to go with the title I’m using, “Yak Shaving.”
Ifar: How’s that connected to mitigating population pressure?
Trin: You need to do a lot of yak shaving to solve big problems.
Ifar: Come again?
Trin: Yak shaving is a hip term for useful, necessary tasks that at first glance appear to be unrelated to what you said you were doing. I learned it from Joe.
Ifar: Oh. So load the yak picture into GIMP and run the “fuzzy border” script while I go herd some more yaks for you.
In his post, Joe Carter looks at attitudes toward AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming, warming caused by human activity) along three dimensions:

The three dimensions:
- the jury is out on climate warming, or it may be real but not significantly affected by human activity.
- the long-term effects of AGW range from catastrophic to mild.
- how quickly do we need to respond to AGW?
- never, since we can’t do anything about it or the human component is too small to bother.
- right now, since any delay might have permanent negative consequences.
- sometime later, there’s time to study to ensure we take meaningful action.
Considering only the discrete possibilities associated with the tick-marks on the axes, there are 12 locations on the three dimensional grid, five of which are meaningful:

Joe gives these names. Three of the five take the position of do nothing on the when-to-take-action axis:
- Hopeless Pessimist: AGW is quite real but we can’t do anything about it. So don’t bother doing anything.
- Do-Nothing Optimist: AGW is quite real but the long-term effects are not significant. So don’t bother doing anything.
- Skeptical Optimist: AGW is not a sure thing, and even it is true the consequences aren’t that bad. So don’t bother doing anything.
Joe notes that none of these are politically viable positions in the USA today. With respect to the last one, Skeptical Optimist, he says,
Although it may be a valid personal position to hold — perhaps even the correct position — as a policy opinion, it is currently a loser. In time, as new evidence is presented, this may change.
He doesn’t say explicitly, but it may be that Joe doesn’t accept the IPCC summary report (PDF) prepared by more than 2,000 scientists from 154 countries as mentioned in this Scientific American article and discussed in this post on RealClimate (a blog by climate scientists) and in this newspaper article.
There are two other meaningful positions on the grid:
- Act-Now Optimist: AGW is large, dangerous, and we must start mitigation efforts now.
- Act-Later Optimist: AGW is large, dangerous, but we have some time to study before acting (or, rather than act rashly, let’s take some time an ensure we don’t harm the economy).
Joe dismisses the Act-Now Optimist with the “I’m not going to do the right thing unless everyone does” argument:
The problem with acting now is that even if we could agree on what action would be most effective, we couldn’t force the international community to commit to such action. No matter what policies we adopt in the U.S., if China and India refuse to make the same changes the effect will be minimal. Since they refuse to make sacrifices today for a potential benefit that may not accrue for another century, anything we do is moot.
Many on the right are offering this line of thinking. Yet the European Union has already signed on to the Kyoto accord and is in the process of adding additional measures just for the EU. On the left coast California is stepping up following the lead of a group of northeast and mid-atlantic states. Initiatives like these not only mitigate global warming but put significant pressure on China, India, and others to fall in line. Why wait to act until everyone is on board? Can we not simply take the moral high-ground? Every reduction in carbon emissions is good for future generations.
Joe continues,
By default, we are left with the Act-Later option. The hope is that we will either have found a technological solution to anthropocentric climate change or we will have acquired the political will to act decisively. The danger, of course, is that we will have waited until it’s too late. But delaying taking direct action on global warming does not mean that we cannot take action at all.
If, like me, you are in the Act-Now camp don’t dismiss Joe’s statement too quickly. There’s much good in it — for example, the bit about acquiring the political will to act decisively and the acknowledgement of the danger of waiting until it is too late. Most importantly he says we don’t have to refrain from taking some action now. That’s the yak shaving bit. Even if apparently far removed for the end goal, many things are useful stepping stones in the right direction.
Joe’s idea is to address a problem that’s related to global warming (and, by the way, to population pressure and sustainability): poverty. Libertarians aside, this is something conservatives and liberals as well as evangelicals, Jews, Muslims, and atheists can all get behind.
Bravo, Joe!




We may all agree that poverty is a good thing [editor's note: the intention obviously was to say "not a good thing"] and that there should be less of it and then still be bitter opponents when it comes to public policy (we don’t have to be bitter but hopefully you get my drift). The approach to solving world poverty advocated by a social democrat is usually at odds with the approach advocated by a liberal democrat.
For instance I’m dead against foreign aid paid by governments to governments and all in favour of removing barriers to capital investment from the private sector in one country to the private sector in another country. Yet even though I take this position based on a view that we need to elliminate poverty, a lot of social democrats would take the exact opposite view given the same motive. Now of course I’m right and they’re wrong
but that does not change the fact that there is a disagreement.
“Joe dismisses the Act-Now Optimist with the “I’m not going to do the right thing unless everyone does” argument.”
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We’re absolutely cursed with this attitude.
I agree that we can bitterly disagree without being bitter toward each other
and that foreign aid is not a permanent solution for anything.
But — if we must — we can simply look at poverty as a drag on economic growth (potential resources currently under used). It is not the case that the poor will be with you always (that’s an Oz link
). Income and wealth differentials may be with us always, but I think it is a moral necessity to solve the problem of poverty in “develop” countries. Given our vast wealth — and no country comes close to the USA in absolute wealth generation — I think it is a moral travesty that we accept the truly poor (as compared to the merely low income) as some sort of “fact of life” as we go after generating even more wealth for everyone else.
We have the resources to apply but instead build bigger homes and SUVs or take more impressive holidays (“vacations” as we say here).
You can see it as a supply problem (again, if you must take that approach): how do you prepare people who are currently poor to enter the economy more effectively, that is, with more and better skills?
Magne, we are cursed with this. How do we fight back?
Thanks for the editors note. Obviously poverty is not a good thing.
I agree absolutely that poverty (in the real sence of the word) is an awful, awful waste of human potential.
We’re cursed with so many serious difficulties of a social and cultural nature. Not only will none of the rich people start “doing something” unless everybody else joins in; the poor folks (countries or regions) actually expect some sort of equity to be in place, before anything can be done. – I phrased it “some sort of equity” but I’m afraid hard reality is that “absolute equity” is what really is expected.
As a consequence, nothing much will be done to save the environment from human enterprise – not until all the people of this world enjoys a typical American middle class existence. The fact that this would be a Mission Impossible of sorts won’t matter much to anyone, I’m afraid. It is all a question of FAIRNESS. It’s human nature.
The people of affluence (whoever they are and wherever they reside), are all leading ecocidal lives, so to speak, yet they are also setting the social / cultural standards for the poorer folks to try – as hard as they can – to keep up with. Everyone who is living in squalour, is certainly dreaming of a social status that can match the quality of life among the better-off, the richer and the super-rich stratas of society. – This is human nature, too.
So how do we fight back? Uhmmm. … I don’t know.
If every person on this planet should be able to enjoy a typical American middle class existence, we’d be in need of three or four Earths in order to sustain ourselves, wouldn’t we?
And again: going for a typical Scandianvian (or Australian) middle class existence wouldn’t be any better.
If we have to act for the family, community, state, nation, country, people, culture or religion we will be waiting forever for agreement or action.
There is no idealism here. We have been made to believe that we must do something at grand scales in order to be effective or noble. What of those who work to relieve the sufferings of individuals without concern for acknowledgment (I am thinking of Mother Theresa here. I am not Christian but I know a good person when I hear of one)? Many have come and gone without acknowledgment, but still there is illogical want to find these great people in history.
Perhaps it is because they are humble in their task that we hear little of them (they are not ones to blow their own horn).
All I am saying is find that person in yourself, and not in others.
We should act now, and we should act on an individual basis without concern for acknowledgment, fame, and certainly we should not act for a larger group.
This post, I think, is a great reminder of this.
signature103,
Perhaps it is because they are humble in their task that we hear little of them (they are not ones to blow their own horn).
Thank you for mentioning this group. I think there are a lot of such people and they have a significant, positive impact on the world and other human beings. There is likely nothing more effective than one person touching another with intelligence and compassion, yet there is no way to know that unless you’ve been on one end or the other (hopefully both) of such an interaction.
A favorite Gandhi quote: In response to a reporter asking him to summarize his message, he said, “My life is my message.” If only each of us could take that to heart.
I think it takes a large amount of personal courage and integrity to act skillfully in the world, to take little and give a lot while knowing many people are doing the opposite (yet another variant of the tragedy of the commons).
Anyone reading this blog would appreciate signature103’s post here.
Magne,
The people of affluence (whoever they are and wherever they reside), are all leading ecocidal lives, so to speak, yet they are also setting the social / cultural standards for the poorer folks to try – as hard as they can – to keep up with.
Sadly true and thanks for the term ecocidal, haven’t heard that before. When I think of China’s 10% annual economic growth, the phrase “careful what you wish for” comes to mind. Of course the Chinese are far enough along the growth path now to be very aware of the enviromental problems concomitant with rapid growth: rivers drying up and becoming polluted, water shortages, polluted urban areas, etc. But like an addict they just want more in spite of the negative effects. Ditto the USA.
Long ago I believed the Americanization of the world — through movies, Coca-Cola, and McDonalds — was a good thing. After all, we stood for freedom and liberty, enjoyed a high standard of living, and were on the right side of World War II. Now I wish for a different sort of -ization.
Rather than more stories about the American mafia (Godfather, Goodfellas) or utter silliness (Mission Impossible) or SF and fanatasy (Star Wars, Lord of the Rings), I’d love to see movies set in the near future where people live well but lightly; where the ideal good life is about creativity, connection, and compassion; where love, loss, and laughter take place within an economy that does not demand more than Earth has to give; and where people can express their freedom and choose to do so in ways that respect others and the environment we all share.
Surely there are creative types who can make compelling, entertaining movies set in such a framework. Gene Roddenberry had a lot of the right ideas but set Star Trek 300 years in the future and assumed all energy, sustainability, and most social problems were solved. I want something closer to our reality.
Signature103: “If we have to act for the family, community, state, nation, country, people, culture or religion we will be waiting forever for agreement or action.”
Trinifar: “After all, we stood for freedom and liberty, enjoyed a high standard of living, and were on the right side of World War II. Now I wish for a different sort of -ization.”
Signature103: “There is no idealism here.”
Trinifar: “I think it takes a large amount of personal courage and integrity to act skillfully in the world …”
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Interesting. Before I try to respond to this, I need some time to think. As for now, let me just leave you with a quote that is contemporary of nature.
“Get rich or die trying.” – 50 Cent
About “freedom”: I know too much about cencorship to even believe in the term. I laugh just a little every time I hear a Western politician say the word.
About “liberty”: I’ve seen too many surveillance cameras, and I’ve learnt too much about various forms of control and abuse of power. I’m sorry.
Magne,
Your note on freedom reminded me of another Becker quote (from the same bit I quoted on my blog): “Man’s freedom is a fabricated freedom.”
I laugh with you when you when you laugh at those politicians.
But on an even simpler level, Man’s fabricated freedom has made him even believe he can “escape” death. The ideas of living longer and being/looking younger (youth) truly have to take the prize for grand stupidity. You’d think we would get a grip on death as being part of life, that life is really the long march to death (or that death represents everything about life). The two are not free from each other.
“The price for grand stupidity.”
Quite!
Over at Growth Is Madness, Trinifar was thinking about the difference of attitudes today, as compared to the 1960s. OK: I was born in 1971, so I really shouldn’t make too many clains about the general social going-ons back then. But I know this: In 1969, I do not think any 40-year-old BOY was in existence!